Ok, I don't necessarily sympathize with the idea being stolen as by being a fanfic it operates under stealing an idea, however, doing it to profit off of ideas that aren't your own is legitimately scummy.
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SirContro
Assurbanipal_II
It violates my possession~. The law is clear on this.
It violates my possession~. The law is clear on this.
SirContro
I mean, yeah. They did just steal from you, even if they didn't, stealing an IP (the source material) and profiting off it is illegal.
Assurbanipal_II
The latter is a point up to contention~.
The latter is a point up to contention~.
SirContro
How so? If Nintendo can take down Pokémon ROM hacks with completely different stories, creatures and concepts, because it has Pokemon as a foundation, no way do you have a shot at profiting from using the same world, characters, and story outline of an established IP.
Assurbanipal_II
They took it down because nobody had the financial resources to wage this war against Nintendo or powerful IP holders in general. Win a case when the legal fees will eat up your entire savings in the process.
You will win, but you will be completely ruined afterwards. Economic aspects are often far more important than legal aspects.
They took it down because nobody had the financial resources to wage this war against Nintendo or powerful IP holders in general. Win a case when the legal fees will eat up your entire savings in the process.You will win, but you will be completely ruined afterwards. Economic aspects are often far more important than legal aspects.
SirContro
Let's say you're right that the only reason people get shut down for stealing IPs is because they don't have the money to fight cases they would win, there'd still be no moral justification for profiting off of a fanfic.
SirContro
The people buying aren't doing so because of an original story (no matter how original you try to make the work), they're doing so because they like the original source material, and the fanfic gives them more of that content. All the work to make a fanfic profitable has been done by the original author the fanfic takes inspiration from so it is that author alone that should reap the benefits of the IP's popularity.
Assurbanipal_II
You know, IP law for a long time did not exist. It was only a recent invention with the purpose of guaranteeing the financial survival of "authors" by violating their intellectual property and thus by extension promote and enrich culture. This was the ratio legis of intellectual property laws in the field of artistic works.
You know, IP law for a long time did not exist. It was only a recent invention with the purpose of guaranteeing the financial survival of "authors" by violating their intellectual property and thus by extension promote and enrich culture. This was the ratio legis of intellectual property laws in the field of artistic works.
SirContro
For a long time, anti slavery laws didn't exist. Doesn't make them any less legitimate.
SirContro
Now I feel like this conversation is destined to go in circles of me arguing that you shouldn't;t do it and you arguing that you legally can, so instead I'll briefly commend you before I make my departure.
SirContro
Something fun I'd like to point out is that you don't actually profit off of your fanfic. There's a difference between using stories to incentivize people to financially support you by way of advance chapters, merch, exclusive content, etc. and simply providing the option for readers to financially support you without using stories to persuade them. I tip my hat to you, sir.
Assurbanipal_II
The author should only harvest their work invested. The fanfic is not a product of theirs and as such the work invested by the fanfic author has equal right to be remunerated.
The author should only harvest their work invested. The fanfic is not a product of theirs and as such the work invested by the fanfic author has equal right to be remunerated.
Assurbanipal_II
Are you seriously comparing slavery to IP laws? You are also confounding morality and legality.
Are you seriously comparing slavery to IP laws? You are also confounding morality and legality.
Assurbanipal_II
You also bring up to many tangents.
You also bring up to many tangents.
SirContro
Ok. I was never arguing that the author is entitled to money made from your fan fic, I was arguing that YOU aren't. You can make a fanfic but you shouldn't make money because you're not the one that made it profitable.
SirContro
An extreme example to catch your eye. The argument could of easily been that petty theft laws haven't always existed but are still good to have. The point is just because a law is new doesn't t delegitimize it.
SirContro
I don't think you're aware of what a tangent is. Everything we've talked about has been related to whether there's any justification for monetizing fanfic.
SirContro
With the exception of me complimenting you, of course.
Assurbanipal_II
You are clearly introducing tangents by introducing different questions, different aspects that are completely unrelated on closer inspection. It is a classic tactic to confound. But I will admit that you do not do it deliberately, but the effect is the same regardless.
This is a very complicated that has a lot to do with definition of conventions and the meaning of law.
You are clearly introducing tangents by introducing different questions, different aspects that are completely unrelated on closer inspection. It is a classic tactic to confound. But I will admit that you do not do it deliberately, but the effect is the same regardless.This is a very complicated that has a lot to do with definition of conventions and the meaning of law.