Zagaroth
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Modern alternative reality, assuming that I absolutely have to do either one of these, because they both sound like hell.
I'll take 3 years of slightly worse hell and be back home please.
Look, with specific training and knowledge, surviving in any reasonable biome on Earth is not terribly hard. Meat is a bonus, focus on wild plants. Need to arrange proper shelter for those with harsh seasons. Hell, with no other homo genus, 99% of possible diseases (other than infections) are not a concern any more. And if we are isolated for long enough to complete this training, then we probably won't be taking much with us that can cause problems so long as we handle sanitation properly.
Hunker down, focus on doing things right, five people getting shelter arranged and food gathered. Rotating duties, with one of the duties being to always have someone at the shelter. Who ever is not staying at the shelter, they travel in pairs. Get some fire going, make fire-hardened spear tips, and we can go hunting if needed. Carefully; there's only five of us, no need to go after really big game, but we can also always be opportunistic.
After 3 years of having to shit in the woods, we'll be back to civilization. This is doable, and a nice focused goal to keep us on track.
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For scenario 1: Those two thousand people are not going to establish an iron age. Smelting is fucking hard. It's not just the tools and knowledge, it's the infrastructure. The people doing all the work to establish an iron age society are not contributing to food or shelter, and that is not good in that situation.
It's going to take several years to break enough land into farmable shape to regularly produce crops to feed everyone. In the mean time, everyone not farming needs to be gathering and hunting to feed the farmers, so that the farmers can eventually feed everyone else.
Also, 2k is cutting it tight on the genetic lottery. With perfectly accurate record keeping, pre-selecting mates, and a wide enough gene pool, 1k is around the hypothetical minimum for a healthy gene pool. 10k is much better odds for a more likely scenario of normal record keeping/breeding , because humans suck at that.
Oh, and given the lack of modern medical infrastructure, every pregnancy has at least a 1% fatality rate for the woman, and keeping babies alive is very hard. Modern society is generally at 0.1% or below for maternal fatalities.
Frankly, I think that the 2k people are on their way to extinction in that world.
I'll take 3 years of slightly worse hell and be back home please.
Look, with specific training and knowledge, surviving in any reasonable biome on Earth is not terribly hard. Meat is a bonus, focus on wild plants. Need to arrange proper shelter for those with harsh seasons. Hell, with no other homo genus, 99% of possible diseases (other than infections) are not a concern any more. And if we are isolated for long enough to complete this training, then we probably won't be taking much with us that can cause problems so long as we handle sanitation properly.
Hunker down, focus on doing things right, five people getting shelter arranged and food gathered. Rotating duties, with one of the duties being to always have someone at the shelter. Who ever is not staying at the shelter, they travel in pairs. Get some fire going, make fire-hardened spear tips, and we can go hunting if needed. Carefully; there's only five of us, no need to go after really big game, but we can also always be opportunistic.
After 3 years of having to shit in the woods, we'll be back to civilization. This is doable, and a nice focused goal to keep us on track.
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For scenario 1: Those two thousand people are not going to establish an iron age. Smelting is fucking hard. It's not just the tools and knowledge, it's the infrastructure. The people doing all the work to establish an iron age society are not contributing to food or shelter, and that is not good in that situation.
It's going to take several years to break enough land into farmable shape to regularly produce crops to feed everyone. In the mean time, everyone not farming needs to be gathering and hunting to feed the farmers, so that the farmers can eventually feed everyone else.
Also, 2k is cutting it tight on the genetic lottery. With perfectly accurate record keeping, pre-selecting mates, and a wide enough gene pool, 1k is around the hypothetical minimum for a healthy gene pool. 10k is much better odds for a more likely scenario of normal record keeping/breeding , because humans suck at that.
Oh, and given the lack of modern medical infrastructure, every pregnancy has at least a 1% fatality rate for the woman, and keeping babies alive is very hard. Modern society is generally at 0.1% or below for maternal fatalities.
Frankly, I think that the 2k people are on their way to extinction in that world.
