Discussion: What do you think makes the story good?

What makes a story good?

  • Unique tropes

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • Cleverly used tropes

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Not a weak beta cuck mc

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Good story flow

    Votes: 13 52.0%
  • Perfection level of english

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Humor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Total voters
    25

MasterHiatus

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I've been an all-rounder. Being a writer, helper, editor, proofreader, and reader. I wanna ask, what truly makes the story good?

I have seen a lot ofnovels and I thought to myself, "Why is a story good?"
 

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Assuming the story is readable, then characters. I can read a bad plot and enjoy the book as long as the characters capture me, but no matter how good the plot is, if the characters suck, I can’t finish the story.
 

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Few things imo.

1. I am fine with a weak mc, however I would like to see some growth. I want the mc to either become a badass or a madman. Preferably both.
2. I personally think that the details are very important. The small things that make you go 'OHH!!' I love it when things are tied together, when a character exhibits a certain trait or does something in a particular way and then there is a reason behind it that you see later.
3. Plot is important, but even more important is the characters. If you have interesting characters and interactions, an interesting plot will follow.
4. Well done mechanics. If there are abilities or systems, ensure that they are interesting and not just a linear number- and of course make sure there aren't inconsistencies and ass pulls.
5. This is my personal opinion, but I prefer ruthless mc who destroys evil people and messes with their minds- to the point where you wonder which person is really the evil one.
6. Good villains. I enjoy a villain who is likable, who I can understand, who isn't just some fat rich guy who hates poor people and thinks he's above them. I love insane villains that one may look at and cheer for them in a strangely satisfying manner, someone who is badass even if they're evil, someone who has an interesting and perhaps even heart wrenching backstory that makes me feel for them. Now, it's fine to have the rich fat guy villain once in a while, I think that at times they're necessary- but don't overuse them.
7. None of the goody two shoes save everyone crap. None of the power of friendship, and no 'this villain who has plotted for thousands of years just lost to one kid, and didn't even manage to kill a single person despite trying to destroy the world.'
 

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quality...
Then I think an answer is pretty much obvious? Good English level, and clever usage of language, low amount of mistakes, as well as close to zero amount of plotholes. Low amount of overused tropes or clever usage of said tropes. No unique tropes for the sake of uniqueness. A logic in which everything in the said story abides. That's pretty much it with the least amount of subjectiveness involved, I think. The story, characters, worldbuilding, the tropes that must be in the story, the story age rating, and so on would vary from person to person.
 

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As long as it does this

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It's good enough in my book
 
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for me, the most important thing in a story is readability. i don't think i can enjoy a story when it's hard or impossible to understand what the author's trying to convey.

even if they had unique ideas, if it's a headache to read, i won't bother with the rest.

the next thing is their title, synposis and cover.

i prefer those with short, to the point synopsis to get me general idea what the story i won't bother if reading the synopsis bored me to death. for the title, i love those that also gives me a good idea, or something interesting and stand out from the rest. i'm also into anime girl covers, especially if they had girls love tag and NO bisexual protagonist tag in it.

for the uniqueness, they don't have to do something new. cliche tropes doesn't mean it's bad. but when they repeat the bad cliches just because it's popular, without thinking about why it's good or bad, it's probably a drop for me. a good example is the abusive female lead trope.

unique premises are welcome, but it's not necessary. i prefer those who can utilize the cliches accordingly that makes their story work. they don't need to be comedic. if people forced comedy, it just ruins the story for me.

the rest is the execution. i will follow it as long it doesn't cross my bottom line, and cater to what i need.

for example: a story about a lesbian futanari succubus. i will drop it, the moment the main character went for some guy. the same thing when the main character let people walk over them, and they let a villain go, just to bite them in the ass later. i also don't like tragic stories, and thus excluded the tragedy tag.

whether it's a junk-food type, or a deep read, i'm open to things that interest me.

though i'm really picky with my bottom line, that's why i don't stick to a lot of stories. but if there's something that fits it to the end, and it's updated regularly, i will probably stick there and comment often.
 

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Execution. How everything comes together.

There is no single element that would make a story good. Focusing on one element at the cost of everything else invites disaster.
 
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Wise words, but it is important to practice techniques. So seeing which is are heavily favored by fellow writers/readers is good so you know something to practice in.

Helps keep the reader interested in a writer who is starting out on a new quest. Since it makes it easier to understand but still nuanced enough to provoke critical thought.
 

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Lack of unique tropes, non-perfect grammar and all, I can forgive, but there are 2 things that are insta turn-off for me: Betas and bad tenses. Jesus lads, either use present tense, or even better, past tenses. NEVER USE BOTH!
 
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Lack of unique tropes, non-perfect grammar and all, I can forgive, but there are 2 things that are insta turn-off for me: Betas and bad tenses. Jesus lads, either use present tense, or even better, past tenses. NEVER USE BOTH!

correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't it be fine to use present tense in dialogues or in the character's thoughts, even if the narration is past tense?

you could also use it to describe a fact and the world's rules that still persist in present time. if people used past tense, i kinda got the vibe that the rule or fact itself doesn't apply anymore.

while i agreed with sticking to one tense in the narration, there are several exceptions to it. but then i'm not a native speaker.
 

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correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't it be fine to use present tense in dialogues or in the character's thoughts, even if the narration is past tense?

you could also use it to describe a fact and the world's rules that still persist in present time. if people used past tense, i kinda got the vibe that the rule or fact itself doesn't apply anymore.

while i agreed with sticking to one tense in the narration, there are several exceptions to it. but then i'm not a native speaker.
Of course, you are right. What I meant was this kind of writing, supplied by a fellow author couple threads below:

Looking at the thing with squinted eyes, I shout. "What the hell is that?!" with disgust I covered my lips as I almost felt my lunch coming out of me. [It's...it's... I cannot believe what I saw.] I open my mouth once more and screamed. "A loli!" pointing at the thing. "It's a real life loli!" I shouted once more.
 
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Of course, you are right. What I meant was this kind of writing, supplied by a fellow author couple threads below:

Looking at the thing with squinted eyes, I shout. "What the hell is that?!" with disgust I covered my lips as I almost felt my lunch coming out of me. [It's...it's... I cannot believe what I saw.] I open my mouth once more and screamed. "A loli!" pointing at the thing. "It's a real life loli!" I shouted once more.

probably since i'm used to bad TL, my mind performed auto-correct on the excerpt xD
 
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I try to give my story an all-around focus when it comes to quality.

My MC is what can be considered by most people here a beta...at first. My intention is to make him grow as the story progress, along with a mix of comedy, and subverted tropes. I admit my English really that perfect (being a non-English speaker), but I try my best to fix grammar mistakes and awkward phrases as I go over my work for several times.

I also focus on the psychological side of the characters and plot, which make my story a slow-burn, and no sex (my MC isn't promiscuous, since I don't like licentious protags). But no matter, I aim to make a story, not a porn-read.

The downside of such approach is that, I only got a few readers. However, I could tell that my readers are chill and serious when it comes to my works, and I appreciate them.
 
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