Is Gender Bender tag ruined?

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Llamadragon said:
Ew.

Jesus is a great dude and all but ew. I'll pray to Loki that you'll eventually get to experience the joy of actually being an artistic expression of yourself, free to be a process of self-discovery and self-determination, rather than what you were told that you are. I hope the trinity of Odin, Hoenir and Lodur enlights you about the gifts they gave when they made your ancestors from the driftwood. I hope you'll eventually be free of the restricting idea that 'identity' can be summed up by your genitalia or any other one thing.
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Llamadragon said:
Ew.

Jesus is a great dude and all but ew. I'll pray to Loki that you'll eventually get to experience the joy of actually being an artistic expression of yourself, free to be a process of self-discovery and self-determination, rather than what you were told that you are. I hope the trinity of Odin, Hoenir and Lodur enlights you about the gifts they gave when they made your ancestors from the driftwood. I hope you'll eventually be free of the restricting idea that 'identity' can be summed up by your genitalia or any other one thing.
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CharlesEBrown said:
I take it you are unfamiliar with the apocrypha, then? In one of the books the Nicene Convention rejected out of the Dead Sea Scrolls, it clarified the "love thy neighbor as you love thyself" line to mean "in all ways, and regardless of their gender, as does our Messiah"
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Ah, you're having a good laugh, but please refrain from making stuff up. It misleads those who don't know any better.
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The Eight Divines are the true way. Others are merely evil gods who wish to corrupt the purity of us mortals and our world.
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Omnii said:
I don't know any better.
Have you read these apocrypha. Or are they not a part of your denomination? Or are you just saying that isn't the meaning of the texts?
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So, the dead sea scrolls don't contain text about Jesus teachings because they were recorded before that.
The apocrypha don't clarify things christ said.
The clarification he cited is silly since it's just a joke about modern politics.

Also, loving your neighbor as yourself is the second great commandment, the additional clause wouldn't actually change anything.
 
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Prince_Azmiran_Myrian said:
So, the dead sea scrolls don't contain text about Jesus teachings because they were recorded before that.
The apocrypha don't clarify things christ said.
The clarification he cited is silly since it's just a joke about modern politics.

Also, loving your neighbor as yourself is the second great commandment, the additional clause wouldn't actually change anything.
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Bruh I Post something yesterday here, sleep, wake up, and suddenly there's 12 more pages worth of replies :blob_teary:
 
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naosu said:
So... I hope I don't offend anyone with this question. But I wanted to ask it. And I wanted to also paint a picture what I had in mind.

Over 10 years ago... if you had a gender bender tag up it didn't have to be about gender identity or sex. It could be a fairly innocent sex-less story. But society has in the last 10 years especially (Not only that but you get the idea) had everyone sort of... force gender out in the open artificially and been trying to make people take sides on it.

This makes me wonder if people are tired of gender bender tags now? Or a turn off? And can ordinary straight people still like and read a gender bender story now? Or are people too divided on it now?

I'm more interested in an innocent theme if I ever do any story on this. And not guaranteed. Mostly I like to figure out ideas and guage out interests of audiences. If a person for example, privately messages me and says hey when are you going to do an (fill in the blank) story, I'm interested in researching it at the very least.
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I would not say it's ruined, per se. Changed, for sure. Expanded, maybe. You could perhaps even argue it was highjacked. But not ruined.
Even original GB tended to include gender identity in some form, even if nobody would call it trans then. Gender-bent characters would express their denial, later confusion and finally acceptance. But compared to explicitly trans stories, it was more subdued, and often used for comedic effect.

As for me, I have not tired of them yet. I'm more cautious when choosing them, as a good number of them now have significant focus on gender identity and subsequently the related politics/political correctness. They can be so foccussed on it, they forget to tell an actual story. Those are always a turn-off. But there are trans stories which get the balance right, neither drowning in the topic, nor glossing over it, and there are still some traditional GB stories too.
soupsabaw said:
For me, it's a turn-off simply because of how I grew up seeing GB stories and tropes. I have always seen it as people of switching the gender of the character and outrageously changing their features. Ex. when changing a man to a woman they give them long hair. The strong representation of this line between feminine and masculine features. It's a turn off; a man can have long hair, and a woman can have short hair. My personal opinion is we just stop with this generalization and stereotypes of this "men have to be masculine, and women have to be feminine" and just leave the character design the same but change labels as people see fit, like if you think they would want to change pronouns or something. But nothing that changes who they are and what they do because gender doesn't change that. I feel as if some people are afraid to say a character is transgender too, so they use the term "gender bend" instead. To me, saying a character is transgender is ten times more appealing than saying they're a gender bent character. Also, when I hear gender bend, I typically think of a fan work and don't associate it with original works. It insinuates that it's the bent version of an already existing character. If my rambling makes any sense...
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In my opinion, gender bender is not the same as trans, and should not be treated as such. Ostensibly, trans is a form of gender bender, but gender bender does not have to be trans, depending on the intended theme and focus.
Trans obviously deals more with the... well, trans topics, while GB focusses less on those aspects, and more on just swapping the gender of a character - either a pre-existing one, or one created for the story - which understandably comes with typically feminine or masculine traits.
 
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