Is Gender Bender tag ruined?

[RepresentingWrath]

 

[Empress_Omnii]

dedicated genre for transgender and other similar topic

Not disagreeing with you or anything, but there are tags for it.

 

[Anonjohn20]

if you had a gender bender tag up it didn't have to be about gender identity or sex. It could be a fairly innocent sex-less story.

They still exist somewhat. A bunch of bad authors doesn't change the fact that there are a few good ones.

This makes me wonder if people are tired of gender bender tags now?

Not me.

can ordinary straight people still like and read a gender bender story now?

Of course, if you like war crimes and evil protags I'll recommend the "Youjo Senki" manga.

 

[Empress_Omnii]

You'll get the locked thread you anticipated!

 

[LilRora]

Not disagreeing with you or anything, but there are tags for it.

Lady please read all of it. That is precisely what I wrote.

the closest is the Gender Bender genre or various tags

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

So isn't the solution to help them be happy with their body?

Yes, honest self. No, not all trans people even experience dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition, being trans itself is not. One of the ways of treating gender dysphoria is through gender-affirming treatments, which yes, have a high rate of satisfaction among trans people. It very much is healthy.

Look, man, human existence is a complex thing. You can twist trans identities to sound as negative as you want and throw in words like "lie" and "hate", but it doesn't change the fact that acceptance, affirmation, and support lead to much better life outcomes for trans people than whatever your vague idea of a clear and honest living is.

Wouldn't the healthy way to go about it be to affirm their biological sex, rather than promote confusion?

There is also science that "gender-affirming" care does not help and is actually more harmful.

 

[Anonjohn20]

I just read the latest messages; I was here before the thread got locked!

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Partially this may be caused of writers, but it is also largely the caused by the writing sites that do not offer good alternatives. Even Scribble Hub does not have a dedicated genre for transgender and other similar topics - the closest is the Gender Bender genre or various tags. There are many sites, like RoyalRoad, that do not even have tags for that.

Consequently, as many people start to use the next best option, it gets filled with their content, potentially overtaking the original content. I'm pretty sure this already happened a few times in other genres, and it definitely happened many times in various genres if we consider a longer history than online reading sites have.

Specifically in this case, I think we should separate the writing community, which is a lot of closeted or socially inactive people, from the commonly scorned and publicly active "gender" community. Because really, from my experience, there's a world of difference between the two, both in the way they talk, and what they talk about.

I wouldn't say people are tired of gender bender, I think, because of the fairly recent popularity of it (largely for the reasons above), a large amount of people have a certain perception of it that heavily differs from how people commonly perceived it some ten or twenty years ago. Those people who had their views then did not disappear (or at least not completely) - they just became the minority.

There is a transgender tag on SH though?

As for adding other tags, with all due respect, it's not sites' fault, it's not a lack of alternative fault, and so on. If there is a market there will be a product. If enough people come here and ask for a tag or genre, Tony will add it. Moreover, you can always make a site for these kinds of novels. There are so many novels and they are in such a high demand, yet there isn't a single person who can make an SH or RR alternative? Please.

 

[LilRora]

There is a transgender tag on SH though?

As for adding other tags, with all due respect, it's not sites' fault, it's not a lack of alternative fault, and so on. If there is a market there will be a product. If enough people come here and ask for a tag or genre, Tony will add it. Moreover, you can always make a site for these kinds of novels. There are so many novels and they are in such a high demand, yet there isn't a single person who can make an SH or RR alternative? Please.

Precisely, there is a transgender tag, not trangender genre. I prefer to distinguish those two. Gender bender is a genre on SH, and I got the impression we're talking about SH here.

I agree with you, but I never said it was a "fault". That's just how SH is, and because there's no genre, this thread was born.

 

[unlaumy]

Actually, I also have this problem with BL genre. I see that it's very much mired with gender identity and sex-theme the same way which the OP raised about gender bender genre. It's different from the way BL genre is perceived a decade or so ago.

What do you guys think? Can ordinary vocally homophobic straight women still enjoy BL like the way it's supposed to be? Or are people too divided now?

 

[ShrimpShady]

Wouldn't the healthy way to go about it be to affirm their biological sex, rather than promote confusion?

There is also science that "gender-affirming" care does not help and is actually more harmful.

You can twist trans identities to sound as negative as you want and throw in words like "lie", "hate", and "confusion", but it doesn't change the fact that acceptance, affirmation, and support lead to much better life outcomes for trans people than whatever your vague idea of a clear and honest living is.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Precisely, there is a transgender tag, not trangender genre. I prefer to distinguish those two. Gender bender is a genre.

I agree with you, but I never said it was a "fault". That's just how SH is, and because there's no genre, this thread was born.

Nope, this thread was born for a different reason. Or we interpreted OP differently, which isn't anyone's fault.

As for difference between tag and genre, excuse me, but if we go anal about it, transgender isn't a genre. Sure, you can argue GB isn't a genre either, but it became one same way isekai did. Considering SH is a sister site of NU, it make all the sense in the world for GB to be a genre while transgender isn't. Lastly, in a perfect world, 'genres' such as, for example, harem or ecchi aren't a genre either.

 

[Racosharko]

Wow so many reply in such a short time.

This thread should be on "trending"

 

[unlaumy]

Precisely, there is a transgender tag, not trangender genre. I prefer to distinguish those two. Gender bender is a genre on SH, and I got the impression we're talking about SH here.

I agree with you, but I never said it was a "fault". That's just how SH is, and because there's no genre, this thread was born.

I think the thread is born because the OP finds gender bender genre is no longer a straight only space, and he wonders if it's ruining the genre.

And can ordinary straight people still like and read a gender bender story now?

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I think the thread is born because the OP finds gender bender genre is no longer a straight only space, and he wonders if it's ruining the genre.

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[unlaumy]

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Gotta balance out the trolling and the pretentiousing.

 

[LilRora]

Nope, this thread was born for a different reason. Or we interpreted OP differently, which isn't anyone's fault.

As for difference between tag and genre, excuse me, but if we go anal about it, transgender isn't a genre. Sure, you can argue GB isn't a genre either, but it became one same way isekai did. Considering SH is a sister site of NU, it make all the sense in the world for GB to be a genre while transgender isn't. Lastly, in a perfect world, 'genres' such as, for example, harem or ecchi aren't a genre either.

Ok, fair. I was thinking specifically about genres and tags on SH, as well as general trends on the popular writing platforms (like RR, Webnovel, Wattpad, AO3), but I see your point.

In the end, all of the genres and tags arise from the market.

I think the thread is born because the OP finds gender bender genre is no longer a straight space only, and he wonders if it's ruining the genre.

...I may have done a big mental leap and worded that badly.

What I meant was, because there's no genre that would fit stories with transgender and other related themes better, those stories land in the gender bender genre, which in turn creates exactly the situation you're describing.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Gotta balance out the trolling and the pretentiousing.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

You can twist trans identities to sound as negative as you want and throw in words like "lie", "hate", and "confusion", but it doesn't change the fact that acceptance, affirmation, and support lead to much better life outcomes for trans people than whatever your vague idea of a clear and honest living is.

I see, no rebuttal. Only "it's good for them" even when it is clearly not.

 

[unlaumy]

...I may have done a big mental leap and worded that badly.

What I meant was, because there's no genre that would fit stories with transgender and other related themes better, those stories land in the gender bender genre, which in turn creates exactly the situation you're describing.

You're good. If you remove all the weird things in this thread, then the consesus would be the same as yours.

I see, no rebuttal. Only "it's good for them" even when it is clearly not.

Nah, it's enough. It's like, to be is to be. Or I think, therefore I am.