What are the minor things that makes MC (any kind) hateable?

[Sola-sama]

Denseness beyond reason. I know there are actual super dense people in real life, but if a girl says she wants to have sexy times with the MC. He/she better not be like “what did she mean by that?”

do you even has a male friend irl?

I know a friend who literally had a girl says 'ayyo let's have sexy time' but managed to fuck it up because my friend was to dense.

YEs. it was a friend, not me.
Nevertheless, it was one of the reason why he's (not me) still a virgin.

 

[NotaNuffian]

do you even has a male friend irl?

I know a friend who literally had a girl says 'ayyo let's have sexy time' but managed to fuck it up because my friend was to dense.

YEs. it was a friend, not me.
Nevertheless, it was one of the reason why he's (not me) still a virgin.

Dude.

Too much denial.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

I don't know why but jack of all trades. It's annoying to everyone when an MC is able to do everything with ease but it seems like people really hate it when a main character has the ability to adapt to several new jobs, situations, or problems despite a clear realistic struggle to adapt being presented. To me, it feels like readers assume that if a character doesn't struggle with something to the same degree that the they would in such a situation, it feels unrealistic and somewhat mocking.

 

[TheMissingOtaku]

Protagonists that are either described or describe themself as something but are not. A character that supposed to be incredibly smart and calm ending up being a moron thanks to the writing style. Bit harsh but if it’s that hard to change your mindset to create this character the way you describe, just free write it and quit using description words.
Goes a bit hand in hand with this one, but when a character prides themself in their strength or powers to an almost cocky point when they got handed everything and are nothing by themselves. I tend to see this stuff in Chinese novels and it typically reaches peak hatred of the character when they think “this daddy” or some bs, like why?!?

 

[Kenjona]

Denseness beyond reason. I know there are actual super dense people in real life, but if a girl says she wants to have sexy times with the MC. He/she better not be like “what did she mean by that?”

This in Spades. It would be one thing for the MC to be so nervous and they refuse or has another reason (even a bad one) to refuse, but yeah that extreme level of denseness just grates on me. Especially when it is from someone who has had previous sexual encounters in the first place.

 

[expentio]

When a gender-bender character glosses over the fact that they just switched genders and are totally fine with it. It comes either about as wish fulfillment or blatant trope farming for more clicks. However, the character having more issues with such a deep change that affects their very identity is excruciatingly rare.
One embarrassment on the toilet scene is not enough to cover this. Though, worse it's only if you find the cause to be hatred for the former gender.

On another note, there's always the Mary Sue standard.
Worse it gets when a character who always has it easy is also projecting their standards onto others without even considering their circumstances.

Then there's the character who becomes an adrenaline junky power grinder.

 

[Kenjona]

I don't know why but jack of all trades. It's annoying to everyone when an MC is able to do everything with ease but it seems like people really hate it when a main character has the ability to adapt to several new jobs, situations, or problems despite a clear realistic struggle to adapt being presented. To me, it feels like readers assume that if a character doesn't struggle with something to the same degree that the they would in such a situation, it feels unrealistic and somewhat mocking.

I am one of those people who is a Jack of all trades in RL (Definition: A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes is better than a master of one.) Some people would get pissed over it; as in at least two cases violently angry at me for it, when I was younger. Now they might still get jealous, but they chalk it up to "He has had lots of life experiences" and do not react as badly as they used to. Jealousy can be a very weird and frightening thing.

When a gender-bender character glosses over the fact that they just switched genders and are totally fine with it. It comes either about as wish fulfillment or blatant trope farming for more clicks. However, the character having more issues with such a deep change that affects their very identity is excruciatingly rare.
One embarrassment on the toilet scene is not enough to cover this. Though, worse it's only if you find the cause to be hatred for the former gender.

On another note, there's always the Mary Sue standard.
Worse it gets when a character who always has it easy is also projecting their standards onto others without even considering their circumstances.

Then there's the character who becomes an adrenaline junky power grinder.

Part of the reason I do not read Gender benders. I know people who have transitioned in RL. It is very rare for them to actually act with the same nuance as the new Gender they have declared themselves. None actually become "Female" with all the nuanced culture that females have, none have become "Male" while really acting culturally "Male". At best most seem to have an overlay at what they think the new gender should act like, which in itself can be jarring to others within that culture. It is very hard to get rid of the gender programing we got instilled with growing up.

 

[Zirrboy]

I don't know why but jack of all trades. It's annoying to everyone when an MC is able to do everything with ease but it seems like people really hate it when a main character has the ability to adapt to several new jobs, situations, or problems despite a clear realistic struggle to adapt being presented. To me, it feels like readers assume that if a character doesn't struggle with something to the same degree that the they would in such a situation, it feels unrealistic and somewhat mocking.

Isn't that, subjectively, exactly the lack of realistic struggle?
Another part I'd consider essential is whether the lack of specialization has relevant drawbacks. Even if an approach is provably superior to others in real life, a narrative built around confirming that belief tends not to be very interesting in my experience.

 

[NotaNuffian]

I don't know why but jack of all trades. It's annoying to everyone when an MC is able to do everything with ease but it seems like people really hate it when a main character has the ability to adapt to several new jobs, situations, or problems despite a clear realistic struggle to adapt being presented. To me, it feels like readers assume that if a character doesn't struggle with something to the same degree that the they would in such a situation, it feels unrealistic and somewhat mocking.

That I have no qualms, especially if it was shown with MC's learning process.

Weird of the readers to not wanting to self insert into a capable person.

I would have qualms if MC becomes ditto Ichigo and stacks power sets after power sets of enemies to no end and made worse if old skills are never seen again after only used once or twice.

Ps. If the old skills are "eaten" and merged into new sets, yay for me. If not, why even bother with having the old skills in the first place anyway?

 

[Dark_Phoenix_Zaetyk]

1) Pervert - i don't care how anyone says but this kinda of Mc's are the worse bunch in most novels nowadays,they develop in wannabe fuck route even fucking trees, that's why i look around the tags and synopsis well to avoid this
2)Persive stupidity -CNs are the number one in this category,CNs mc decide to be low-key to avoid problems then 2 chapters later he/she kills the young master of some bizarre clan, organization or sect.I hate stupid Mc's cause am a sucker of intelligent,cold, strategist Mc's etc but i can tolerate a retard mc.
3)Self righteous idiots - i don't have a problem with this but most in this category are bandits, hypocrite and some develop into genocidal maniacs because of their beliefs which is always right

 

[Deathfunny]

Hating on pineapple pizza.
Buying slaves or endorsing it, making justifications for it.
Not murdering the big bad guy, even though that being won't stop being the big bad guy.
Perverted without proper reasonings behind it.
Denser than a black hole.
Treating everyone beneath him because of his belief or reasons.
Not treating woman/man as a human being rather a thing to pursuit after or to sexualize at.
There is been a lot of hate about Chinese novels, are they really that bad?

 

[Representing_Tromba]

Isn't that, subjectively, exactly the lack of realistic struggle?
Another part I'd consider essential is whether the lack of specialization has relevant drawbacks. Even if an approach is provably superior to others in real life, a narrative built around confirming that belief tends not to be very interesting in my expexperience

I think kenjona said it best below as people are very subjective when it comes to what is realistic for a person to do. Plus, it depends on how the author wrote them to be a jack of all trades as it could be that the "jack of all trades" character is actually a poorly disguised Mary Sue. There's is difference between the two and it is based solely on how it is written. My complaint about jack of all trades is more about people having wildly poor understandings of what is realistic and unrealistic for a character.

I am one of those people who is a Jack of all trades in RL (Definition: A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes is better than a master of one.) Some people would get pissed over it; as in at least two cases violently angry at me for it, when I was younger. Now they might still get jealous, but they chalk it up to "He has had lots of life experiences" and do not react as badly as they used to. Jealousy can be a very weird and frightening thing.

 

[expentio]

Hating on pineapple pizza.
Buying slaves or endorsing it, making justifications for it.
Not murdering the big bad guy, even though that being won't stop being the big bad guy.
Perverted without proper reasonings behind it.
Denser than a black hole.
Treating everyone beneath him because of his belief or reasons.
Not treating woman/man as a human being rather a thing to pursuit after or to sexualize at.
There is been a lot of hate about Chinese novels, are they really that bad?

Regarding Chinese Novels.
Can't say for sure how representative that is, but once I read here one with views that kinda disturbed me that was obviously from a Chinese.
The MC was telling her mother that she won't do her chores (or not yet, not sure anymore, but it wasn't too unreasonable), they get into an argument, and the mother cracks MCs head open against the wall!
Then in death's void, the daughter apologizes to her mum for being such a bad daughter.
I was looking rather awkward after this.

I guess the more aggravating things are the usual cultivation novel tropes.
One quite quickly sees how much of a wish-fulfillment self-insert the protagonist is.

The strongest trope that I repeatedly saw is a strong class system. No, not a social one, but about given abilities.
You'll never see that someone of a lower rank wins alone in a fight against an upper rank. There are different depictions of this, but it's usually "Here is the pinnacle, here is the bottom, you strive to raise your rank".
It's actually ridiculous how hard authors are throwing any semblance at logic out of the window to avoid an upper rank gets even scratched.
Surprise attack? No, the upper ranks have supernatural senses that can even warn them in their sleep.
Stray shot from the side? See above.
Poisoning? No, they of course developed poison immunity with their power.
Any kind of attack from a lower rank? No, they all have always shields or perfect spatial awareness and abilities to dodge any kind of damage.
That one fire mage even had a "heat shield" that absorbed massive stone pillars. That's not how physics works!
So yeah, a rank 3 can basically go alone over a hundred rank fours. The higher it goes the less anyone can care about the lower ranks because they are simply unable to make an impact and are quite clearly sidelined.

I recently read Sapiens. A story that started out strong but then went down with exactly this trope.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

Well there is not really any minor (personality) thing that will make me hate the protagonists, it's more the execution, if the character trait is believable and doesn't feel forced I'm pretty much okay with everything. But I would still not read the story if I simply have no interest and better (currently more entertaining) things to read.

 

[Zinless]

Show them kicking a puppy that was in the way or something, that is an instant "Oh, you're dead to me." for the readers.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Appearance.

 

[Aaqil]

Basic arithmetic.

If a character doesn't seem to do basic math with whatever numbers they come across, I struggle to relate with that character on a fundamental level. It's hard to explain this properly, but if a situation arises where doing any amount of math would be the natural, human reaction, and the perspective character doesn't, it turns me away.

A couple examples: I read a fic once where the author made a huge deal of the character only have some amount of bullets in his gun. Then the character just... didn't count them. Ever. Or even count the number of people they needed to shoot. That type of shit infuriates me.

The fantasy equivalent would be not counting the number of enemies or doing math for how far away towns are and stuff.

Basic arithmetic is a huge part of my ability to relate to characters I guess.

(To clarify, if the character is an idiot, my natural assumption would be that they mess up the math sometimes, not that their brain isn't capable of it)

Felt this too,
I see thing, I think number that important for thing, character not think number that important for thing,

 

[Zirrboy]

I think kenjona said it best below as people are very subjective when it comes to what is realistic for a person to do. Plus, it depends on how the author wrote them to be a jack of all trades as it could be that the "jack of all trades" character is actually a poorly disguised Mary Sue. There's is difference between the two and it is based solely on how it is written. My complaint about jack of all trades is more about people having wildly poor understandings of what is realistic and unrealistic for a character.

keniona talked about jealousy received for being able to do more than others. You too mentioned the suspicion that readers felt shown up by someone struggling less with something than they would have. This only tangentially relates to the "jack of all trades" part for me, i.e. the pursuit of many skills over the mastery of few. Such a character could just as well be slow at learning the individual trades as they could be an universal genius.

As for realism, I'd like to point out that a Mary Sue also can be realistic in the sense that you could imagine, or even reference, when talking about a specific skillset, a real life person who's just that good. That still doesn't make them good characters for a story.
I haven't read the story in question so my impression on the actual question of whether it is realistic is obviously meaningless, but I believe that realism in writing can never serve as more than a foundation to immersion and should hence be less of a priority than whatever emotions you're trying to bring out.

 

[Kenjona]

There is been a lot of hate about Chinese novels, are they really that bad?

No, they are not that bad. They are worse and better at the same time. A lot of it is Mary Sue + Cultural (Cultural norms that most of the west has mitigated or gotten rid of). When reading them you have to take in the cultural norms that most westerners do not expect, but their Authors must write under to be allowed to see print.

To list what I have found to be (in no particular order) bad to worse that are regular tropes in CN novels. Many good ones avoid most of this list.

• Excusing rape as not really rape. Just so the MC can get another Harem member.
  • No woman is willing to lose her virginity unless they are properly married or it is with the MC. Except the bad guy ones.
  • Powerful unmarried Old Women are also virgins, if they are beautiful, apparently dating is not a thing. If they are old hags and ugly then they can have their own harem.
  • The Female centered stories are the exception, they can have a Harem, but chances are good she is not having sex with any of them.
• Women are not allowed to change their minds once they make a decision in who they like, ever. 1,000 years is an awfully long time to be true to the guy that went out for the cultivation novel equivalent of "has not come back from going to the corner store for milk and cigarettes".
• Everyone with the power to wipe out cities/areas, does it on a semi-regular basis. All the beautiful scenery would have to restore itself as if it were as fast growing as the Kudzu plant, for the amount of atrocities that can occur.
• Drugs are the power ups of choice, Er, I mean "alchemical" pills.
• The MC can do anything they want, its fine, but if anyone else does it, it is Ultra bad no good.
• Fat people are either side kicks or second rate villains.
• Serial sameness between each story arc. Power up and win in one world, go to the next now you are the lowest of the low and must power up in new world gaining more pokemo- er harem members along the way.
• Side characters do not get power ups unless needed for the story, and usually it is to show case the "uberness" of the MC's power ups.

Now for the Modern Cultivation Novels: There are cultivation Novels set in the modern world and they have a good chance of having the following issues.

• Ultra nationalism, if it is not Chinese, it is drek.
  • Foreign women; the prettier they are the more likely they will have yellow fever; oh who am I kidding they all have yellow fever.
    • All foreign women are sluts.
    • Chinese women raised over seas, either want to come home and never leave, or they have been culturally conquered by the western world and need to be brought back into the fold. Sometimes with the back of a hand if needed, in which case they will fall in love with the MC afterward.
  • Do note; white people do get treated better than others the further west you go from China; yes, the Russians get it "culturally" much worse than the Brits and Americans. Even though the Russians may be treated as friends and allies, and the corrupted US must be defeated, but once defeated will toe the line.
  • Other Asian cultures are treated much much worse than Western Cultures. They are considered without exception; completely corrupted and their government is doing evil to its own people as well as to innocent Chinese.
    • If its a Japanese analog; your women are sluts for the Chinese man and your culture is a failure that is going to fall to the Chinese empire. Because your all irredeemable scumbags.
  • India, we are winning against them, no matter how much they try and take our territory.
  • Africa, the slave country where we can do what we want and raise all the mercenaries we want.

Chinese Novels are not always done as badly as what I mention above, but there is more chaff then kernels of wheat.
Things to remember when reading stories from Chinese Authors:

• Chinese Authors work under censorship.
  • Depending on the Decade:
    • You cannot use real Country names in your stories, especially not Chinas.
    • Certain nations or their analog must never be placed in a good light, though exceptions can be made depending on the decade the novel was written in.
      • Japan and India are never allowed to be placed in a good light.
  • If it is Chinese it is better then anything else. If it is not portrayed that way, then the Chinese are fixing it in the story.
  • No criticizing the Chinese Government or Chinese Culture.
• Family is everything.
• Females tend to be second class citizens, even if they are ultra hard core badasses.

Edited: To correct spelling mistakes and some of the more glaring grammar issues.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

There is been a lot of hate about Chinese novels, are they really that bad?

Yes. At least the popular ones. There are a couple of exceptions like Release that Witch or I’m Really Not The Demon God’s Lackey, but it is 2 novels out of like 100. So out of 1000 you will find 20 good novels.