Why! Why no armor!

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I think sir Isaac Newton was a son of a farmer or a trader or smth. There are many other examples of the talented and capable of the lower class acquiring honorary noble titles, though I don't recall any of them ever going against the (or even trying to somehow influence the society). Actually, most geniuses are historically depressed/suicidal/go mad.
The thing is, human values and beliefs change throughout history and what we(most of us in the first world anyway) take (as a given) for good or bad, is something that would be strongly argued against in the past and vice versa. People act and develop differently under different circumstances and such underrepresentation of ideas and thoughts is the worst kind of representation we can find in the media nowadays, unfortunately. We'll, that's just my opinion and I'm going off a tangent anyway.
Newton was born in the mid 17th century which was over 200 years past the end of the medieval era.

Now whilst noble titles could be awarded you are not going shoot the ranks immediately. Nobles weren't that stupid, they would slowly acclimate your lineage into themselves so that way when your family could actually have position of great power your lineage would be acting like them and not the peasant that earned the status in first place.
Conventional armor is for fatfucks aka the male nobles back then,

If the women wanted to wear them, it is fine, their jiggly chest fats sag too.
Jiggly chest fats. The one way I have never heard titties described.
 
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If you want to bring logic in to fantasy, Boob plate is a good way to get your chest caved in.
 

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Authors. Because it seems I’m the only one attracted to how metal works, damn it’s sexy, how in shapes, all its uses… *cough* nevermind that. Authors, well Most skip it

But when It done write it just add’s on to the greatness. Fade? What’s that
Because trying to describe all the intricacies of an armor, especially when there's enchantments and stuff, is a total pain in the ass and just becomes blocks of text where everyone will scream "Tell, don't show". It's boring to read 500+ words of how exactly an armor looks and is put together. Not to mention that for authors looking for "realism", they'd have to describe every layer so that they can explain why the character wearing plate armor doesn't die from getting maced in the stomach.
 

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Again, as much as anyone else wants to say that my illustration is 'impossible', my only answer is...

I draw what I want. And I don't think I'm being paid for me to implement the changes. As the artist of MY own work, I know what I want to show and what I like to do.

Also, don't look for dot-to-dot logic in an already illogical setting. It's a waste of time.

My work, my rules. Unless I'm working on a non-fiction or non-fantasy fiction. Let's respect that.
i was joking my man. if anything, I was asking for them to be more illogical.
 

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For wizard, it's simple. Armor usually prevents spellcasting. Various robes might also be enchanted to help with spells.

As for boobplates, I have no justification.
 

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No armor is good cause there will be always the main character that gets underestimated part of the plot.
 
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Why no realism, unless you specifically say why no armor, then why.


State why wizard can’t wear metal. Why no chainmail. Why boob plates, that’ll add more work for poor blacksmiths. Their is leather and fabric & metal based metal armor.
Probably because for mages and wizards its heavier. They are not really for tank, but behind the scene casting spells and throwing it at enemies. Maybe need to be more lithe and metal armor will slow them down.

Boob armor..do you mean one specific part of a whole armor? Or the bikini kind of armor. If the latter, its not really much protection. Its just for your eyes to laser beam on duh.

Its aesthetics. If you really were go out in battle in the middle ages, would you wear just the boob plate and leave other parts of you vulnerable? Probably chainmail or full armor like Joan of Arc.

But its fantasy. And also your target audience. Including youself.
 
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Why no realism, unless you specifically say why no armor, then why.


State why wizard can’t wear metal. Why no chainmail. Why boob plates, that’ll add more work for poor blacksmiths. Their is leather and fabric & metal based metal armor.


So much, so much potential for armor, and weapons, and you guys waste it. Why only big sword, dagger, bow, smaller sword. Leather armor, Big metal armor, robes.


I want cool descriptions of armors, and weapons.

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But seriously theres a lot of story potentia in why said character where’s that, instead of that, is It because that set of armor has
advantages to being able to use a bow, or one made to be good against slash, and stab, but bad against crushing damage
Generally speaking, authors tend to avoid long walls of text when describing their character to avoid any "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" labels that are usually associated with said walls of text.

Why a wizard can't wear metal armor? Who said they can't? There is the archetypical "Magic Knight" or "Battlemages" that are as much a warrior as a wizard. "Paladins" or "Warrior Priests" are also magic users that wear heavy armor, only that their magic is usually of the healing/restorative kind. What we tend to associate with the typical wizard with long robes is mostly done in RPGs tabletops and videogames for balancing issues, and most fantasy derived of them just went with it.

The thing with armor that many people forget is that is both heavy and expensive. Only nobles and mercenaries could afford good armor, raw materials were scarce, and blacksmiths, unlike in fantasy, could not afford to make generic suits of armor to sell in their shops. That would not happen until the renaissance. In the middle ages, if you wanted a suit of armor, it had to be tailor-made and paid in advance.

Books were also incredibly expensive before the invention of the print press, so let's just say that many mages couldn't afford armor as they had to spend their money on books and their studies. If magic is a complex science then it would make sense for wizards to spend more time studying rather than "adventuring". Also, it would make more sense for nobles or Kings to pay for the wizard's tuition the same way they did with archers in real life.

Another armor that is often overlooked in fantasy is the shield. Shields were the main form of protection used by the common foot soldiers, which along with gambesons (padded cloth armor) and later mail when it became affordable enough, was considered enough protection. Historically, very few civilizations invested heavily in infantry equipment, even swords were insanely expensive and considered luxury items, so it was up to each soldier to procure his own equipment, axes became a common sight on the battlefield because they served also as a tool to chop wood during peacetime, only much later, when Kings invested in mass production the sword became the standard weapon for the average soldier. One notable exception was the Roman Empire which invested heavily in heavy infantry could afford standard-issue heavy metal armor and swords for each soldier, with effective logistics.

As for boob armor? As a decorative "parade armor" perhaps, the same way "muscular heroic armor" was, but it's just impractical for combat. The muscular armor looks cool but there was a reason why it was only used in parades, it only weakened the breastplate which is the part of the armor most likely to be stricken. The main purpose of the breastplate is to deflect strikes, that's the reason is made smooth and curved, and it makes more sense to just make a bulge in the chest area large enough for the pair to fit in comfortably rather than two bulges for each boob.

Wow, this turned out quite lengthy, hope this helps.
 

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Also for anyone that might be saying, "But platemail/generic fantasy armor is super heavy." It isn't, nor is chainmail or scalemail. The weight in total seems like a lot but it is spread out on your body a doesn't really hinder any movements.

Also pro tip for anyone that talks about 'leather' armor. Actual leather armor was hardened and used in a more platemail-like form, not these gimp suits people try to make leather armor out to be, because the boot leather type armor would not slow down a weapon with a reasonable amount of force behind it.
 

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Did someone say boob armor?
My default logic is that the people in settings aren't inherently idiots. They suit up for the adequate protection beforehand just like all the camping gear they should have when they go on the adventures. We don't need a chapter of the team going to the marketplace and picking out the right shovel for the job.
 

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Why no realism, unless you specifically say why no armor, then why.


State why wizard can’t wear metal. Why no chainmail. Why boob plates, that’ll add more work for poor blacksmiths. Their is leather and fabric & metal based metal armor.


So much, so much potential for armor, and weapons, and you guys waste it. Why only big sword, dagger, bow, smaller sword. Leather armor, Big metal armor, robes.

Well, it all started with the Fae. OLD mythology to be exact.

Back before the Catholic Church ruled Europe there was a belief in the mystical. The Fae we're magical beings. Immortal, illusive, and of alien thought to humans. It was believed that one could only defend themselves from fae folk was with iron workings. Be it nails and horse shoes, to knives and armor. Iron was poisonous to them and broke spell work.

This old belief has been unconsciously brought forward to modern fantasy. Wizards originally didn't wear metal because it disrupts mana from forming a spell. So went D&D's Eleminster's experience. Same with everyone except clergy, since they don't use mana, but God loaded miracles the can cast. So you ended up with paladins and plate wearing clerics.

Bikini armor originated in opera about vikings. But that was mostly a design choice to allow the singers the comfort as it was over full clothing. Also it was cheaper, and sexy at the same time. It later showed up in movies such as 1974's The Arena. Because historically women would fight topless as gladiators, but they can't do that in modern times.

As for variety of weapons, there's a whole, "swords are romance" thing going on. But there are stories with spears, halberds, and just fists as well around.
 

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Because people like to make everything really stupid when it comes to fantasy, and really like to dumb down actual medieval Europe.

Most people used swords as sidearms not as their main equipment, people like have feudal societies whilst ignoring the agrarian culture and inner workings of the Aristocracy, cavalry was highly strategic in real history so of course fantasy cavalry or the equivalent of it exist to scream into battle and die, mage colleges make no fucking sense if they intermingle noble and peasants given the fact the peasants may finally come to the realization they live in a shit world with corrupt generic fantasy government and probably would attempt a peasantry based mage coup, mages theoretically should be the ruling class if they can stomp everything in their way, or if there are actually checks and balances to mages but they are still pretty strong why not test children at young age for magic proficiency and then make them into something like Janissaries and then you'd have an elite core of shock troops loyal to the crown, theological groups would go through the roof and have lots of political power if they can prove their God is real, technology often progresses quicker if humanity as a whole is in turmoil I.e. WWI TO WWII technology made vast improvements in such a short span. So why wouldn't their be large investments into technology of humanity if they are always under siege from monster attacks? Is it because the oligarchic aristocracy and their mage shock troops have heavy borders and put an emphasis on needing magic in order to subvert a peasantry based revolt?, etc, etc.

Platemail codpiece cough cough.
Those are weird, the question is, why put your junk in a metal condom
 

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Those are weird, the question is, why put your junk in a metal condom
Purely ceremonial or for "flexing." Armor is a status piece because of how expensive it is so wealthier people will put on generally useless decorations that might even be outright detrimental. However, this can be effective in regards to politics since displaying your wealth, and your power to an extent, intimidates people. This might lead to greater political leverage and such. A bit like how some rich people in big cities own Ferraris, despite barely being able to use the car to its fullest.

Same thing applies for boob armor. Impractical, but not particularly detrimental to the user's health if the armor is made by a master smith with high quality materials.
 

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Also for anyone that might be saying, "But platemail/generic fantasy armor is super heavy." It isn't, nor is chainmail or scalemail. The weight in total seems like a lot but it is spread out on your body a doesn't really hinder any movements.

Also pro tip for anyone that talks about 'leather' armor. Actual leather armor was hardened and used in a more platemail-like form, not these gimp suits people try to make leather armor out to be, because the boot leather type armor would not slow down a weapon with a reasonable amount of force behind it.
If I’m right, people were able to run and move pretty good in armor. I think theirs a few videos of people being able to run in it with ease.


Unrelated note: I love the gambeson.
 

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If I’m right, people were able to run and move pretty good in armor
Understatement of the year. Armor, because armourers knew what they were doing. Did their best to make things that worked for longer periods of time.

Not many people could afford a entire set of platemail armor. So those that did would obviously want to be able to move easily in it.
 

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Understatement of the year. Armor, because armourers knew what they were doing. Did their best to make things that worked for longer periods of time.

Not many people could afford a entire set of platemail armor. So those that did would obviously want to be able to move easily in it.
I think I heard the term: A second skin, since it was so well fitted to the wearer that It was like a second skin.
 

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Understatement of the year. Armor, because armourers knew what they were doing. Did their best to make things that worked for longer periods of time.

Not many people could afford a entire set of platemail armor. So those that did would obviously want to be able to move easily in it.
I think the armor that was actually hard to move in was stuff like the Dendra panoply, but those were generally meant for chariot warfare if I remember correctly.
 
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