How much do you like smut?

[Deeprotsorcerer]

I'm just wondering if people actually enjoy reading smut, and how down and dirty are readers expecting it to be?

People like smut. Look at the web stats if you don't believe me. People like it so much that authors like Dante King and Eric Vall can get away with repetitive carbon copy nonsense and rake in cash and positive reviews through the mere exposure effect alone (there's a parallel with trash power fantasy here).

The problem is that this is a public community, people don't want to be seen commenting or following smut due to social mores or consideration for their audience/friends whose own social mores may make reading smut a Bad Thing. Rest easy and keep writing, but more importantly, keep telling people that you write. If you cast a wider net, you'll get more reads, follows, reviews and everything.

 

[JayDirex]

Hot blooded Romance is always the best for me. The intense passion of having intimacy through an act is what drives me to enjoy smut. Though smut for the sake of it is just plain. And for me, romance without smut can also be very plain. *This is preference though. There are people who don't like smut in their stories. This is heresy, though!*

Like we like to believe we would wait for intimacy, but in reality when people are in love. They will do it. Sooner than later. Usually. And to me, that is what smut allows me to see. I don't care about the dirty bits, just the emotions involved. This is where smut can fail at too. It can be dirty yet not connect enough for the people to stay. So the plot is very important too.

you described lust. and yes, they can have feelings for each other after the act....I guess that part would be the romance.

 

[Lloyd]

I hate smut.

 

[Tropic_Panda]

About smut active readers, I think it depends on the place where you market your work.

This is my personal experience, not a general opinion, so please be careful if you want to use it as a reference.

Place A: general writing community

Most comment i received:

"Damn author! We will go to other site if smut is what we are looking for."

"Why did you put this shit in this place?"

"Hope you become a gangrape victim."

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Place B: smut writing community

Most comment i received:

"Author, why doesn't K give BL to M?"

"Author, pussy is super elastis, you can put XXXL dildo to N's pussy, or C's rear entry."

"Author, why is there romance here? We only need easy meals, you know. Give us action or magpie plus (NTR slang at that time) is okay, but no romance as center of shit.

"Author, Good work!"

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Now I don't enter the smut business, so I don't know the taste of the market or why writing smut has become a complex job.

But in my day, smut is the easiest money. Even a goof who doesn't know what it is plot, pacing, character development, etc, will get tons of money if he/she has a pinch of creativity.

For example, someone write about actress F who become populer recently (real character), she get ambush and gang rape in elevator. Then, before she is able to get up, a second group enters and screws her despite her begging for mercy.

On the way to the hospital, she got another gangrape. The medic crew even stop in a quiet place so they can enjoy her for a longer time. In the hospital, she got another one.

Next morning, when the sun rose to the east horizon, she jumped from the window of her room (69th floor) and died. Then, in the afterlife she gets an eternal gangrape.

So the plot basically is gangbang - gangbang - gangbang - suicide - eternal gangbang, but this shitty plot deliver to the author a few hundreds buck.

Using a real actress as a character was popular for some time before some author entered jail because the actress he used as character succeeded in tracking him. The trend then shift to using JAV Actress as a character.

But then, in the city where i work, at late 2010 there are incident where three junior high students gang rape a highschool girl. The junior high students said that they did the deed because they lost control after reading some smut stuff.

So, my team and I decided to stop writing smut, and we need two years to hunt and take down every single one of our published smut work.

What we don't expect is, after another similar rape incident happen again, National Police put serious effort in hunting smutt writer. While, there are national projects to shut down every local smut site and block foreign smut sites. The effort was not fully successful, but was able to limit the access to the lowest level.

My suggestion is, don't publish anything that someday will make you drown in regret, or you can't say it to your closest people proudly.

For example, my team leader is a successful writer for a Kid Story. Then, some people discover his smut work, and that is the end of his career for Kid Story, a work that he loves with every single fiber and soul of his existence.

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ps: i don't read other comments, so please forgive me if there are some of my comments that sound like an offense.

 

[KoyukiMegumi]

you described lust. and yes, they can have feelings for each other after the act....I guess that part would be the romance.

Lust and love usually go hand in hand. One is a thing of the moment while the other stays around for a lot longer. Of course, one doesn't lust for their parents, * Usually I won't place anything beyond anyone.* but that type of love isn't the romantic one.

Usually when you love xP you also want to you know reach the intimacy stage. Like it is an important part of any relationship. Anyone who says otherwise might not have had that connection, I guess. Or is built uniquely let's say.

I mean it is how the species procreates! It is in your blood to lust for one another. * Of course there are exceptions to this.* But love is the best part of when the moment of lust is over.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Lust and love usually go hand in hand.

True. Tho One thing I dislike in erotica, usually in supernatural erotica, is that the love is ALMOST instant. Lust is the main driving factor, too. At almost the instant they meet, the guy is very protective, possesive and caring towards the female lead. Even if that's entirely out of character for the guy. Which i dont mind as long as there is build up to it, but there rarely is.

I'm fine with relationships starting with sex, but it often feels the only reason the leads come together is because something forces them together. In supernatural erotica, it's usually some kind of soul mate type of thing.which i find kinda a lazy way to do it, to be honest. Cuz otherwise nothing separates them from other men or women, know what I mean? Instead they get together because they just wanna fuck so bad.

Ah well. I eat that shit up anyway.

 

[KoyukiMegumi]

True. Tho One thing I dislike in erotica, usually in supernatural erotica, is that the love is ALMOST instant. Lust is the main driving factor, too. At almost the instant they meet, the guy is very protective, possesive and caring towards the female lead. Even if that's entirely out of character for the guy. Which i dont mind as long as there is build up to it, but there rarely is.

I'm fine with relationships starting with sex, but it often feels the only reason the leads come together is because something forces them together. In supernatural erotica, it's usually some kind of soul mate type of thing.which i find kinda a lazy way to do it, to be honest. Cuz otherwise nothing separates them from other men or women, know what I mean? Instead they get together because they just wanna fuck so bad.

Ah well. I eat that shit up anyway.

It is the lazy way to do it. But it is also the romantic in people who do that. This can end badly if not done right, though. It feels forced when out of nowhere they want to fuck, for the sake of it alone. I mean, I think there are people that are like that too. But I like to see how they fall first. Like, why does he like her? And what makes her different from Rosey Lola that is also going after him?

There can always be that attraction at first. Because when you see a cute boy or gal one is like, ooo I want to get to know them. Then their personality makes them fall for them deeper. And so on... But that is hard to show sometimes. Fated love is simple to do too.

For example, in my story, who are fantasy/supernatural/adventure/many other tags, there is the element of fated love. Though, the reasons the leads get together are situational. They are events that force them to interact with one another. Like a fated meeting that leads to a friendship, then to something more. *FL was awe-struck by how the boy could smile so freely while her world was a living nightmare. Because of this, she followed the boys to the gaming shop... And there a meeting occurs.*

And the overprotection happens because the FL ends up in some crappy situation, in which the ML failed to save her(and the rest of the city). This happens back when they are children, so it kind of makes him extra overprotective of her once they grow up. *Pst if she dies the world goes with her too.* Kind of good reason to want her safe, no?

The sex itself doesn't start until they are already in love with one another, too. Yet they were fated to be. But in my world, just because you are fated does not mean you will have a happy ending. *Example is one sister of the ML. They found their one, but it ended horribly.*

But it is hard to do something that naturally flows. I probably struggle with it too. *I haven't had any complaints but... You know... I can't judge myself, thus I am biased to my story.*

I have converted you to use colors I see! Yes, my mind domination is going well!

 

[CupcakeNinja]

It is the lazy way to do it. But it is also the romantic in people who do that. This can end badly if not done right, though. It feels forced when out of nowhere they want to fuck, for the sake of it alone. I mean, I think there are people that are like that too. But I like to see how they fall first. Like, why does he like her? And what makes her different from Rosey Lola that is also going after him?

There can always be that attraction at first. Because when you see a cute boy or gal one is like, ooo I want to get to know them. Then their personality makes them fall for them deeper. And so on... But that is hard to show sometimes. Fated love is simple to do too.

For example, in my story, who are fantasy/supernatural/adventure/many other tags, there is the element of fated love. Though, the reasons the leads get together are situational. They are events that force them to interact with one another. Like a fated meeting that leads to a friendship, then to something more. *FL was awe-struck by how the boy could smile so freely while her world was a living nightmare. Because of this, she followed the boys to the gaming shop... And there a meeting occurs.*

And the overprotection happens because the FL ends up in some crappy situation, in which the ML failed to save her(and the rest of the city). This happens back when they are children, so it kind of makes him extra overprotective of her once they grow up. *Pst if she dies the world goes with her too.* Kind of good reason to want her safe, no?

The sex itself doesn't start until they are already in love with one another, too. Yet they were fated to be. But in my world, just because you are fated does not mean you will have a happy ending. *Example is one sister of the ML. They found their one, but it ended horribly.*

That's what I mean by build up. It has a foundation. Even if they feel an intense lust for each other, it doesnt get in the way of their actual feelings for each other. They build a foundation for love and protectivenss.

I dont see it done often that way, tho, and it's a but annoying but I'm used to it.

I have converted you to use colors I see! Yes, my mind domination is going well!

And the best part is the color compliments your own. We match! Soon everyone shall discover the wonders of colored text...whether they choose to or not

 

[KoyukiMegumi]

I dont see it done often that way, tho, and it's a but annoying but I'm used to it.

Well, this is my opinion, but this is because people lack the spark to write a good plot to go with the smut. They want to see the numbers rather than write something original. Then that causes the connection to fail. A sad pitfall a lot of writers fall in.

And the best part is the color compliments your own. We match! Soon everyone shall discover the wonders of colored text...whether they choose to or not

Yes!!!! We shall conquer the world!!!! They won't see us coming! *Goes to her evil tower of doom.*

 

[Pontan]

I am not a fan of smut. I like the slow burn romance. The moment they get into bed is the moment I lose interest in the story. I avoid any story tagged with smut in it. But I think it has more to do with your target audience. Smut readers tend to read very quickly so they might not leave many comments or reviews because they're too busy going to the next chapter to stop and think about leaving a comment. Adventure readers do seem to be more likely to engage with the writer while Romance readers are notorious for finishing one book and immediately going to the next. It really might have nothing to do with the quality of your writing and be more of a reader thing

Sooner than later...? My aroace brain cannot compute. The dirty bits of a romance do nothing for me but I do like the emotional parts. That connection intrigues me more while sex scenes in books tend to be repetitive... at least to me. A slow burn romance with the push and pull of emotions and conflict is what really gets me to keep reading. I will however admit that smut has the ability to go into places and situations that regular romance can't which could be interesting given the right story. I have no suggestions for that though. I don't read smut

The reason you immediately lose interest when the characters go to bed with each other must be because there is nothing driving the story beyond the romance. Sex is the endgame of romance, there is no more plot to explore, as it was all centered around the slowly developing intimacy of the characters. The arc is concluded. The only way you can advance from there is either turning it into smut, or the story having some kind of much deeper drive other than just romance, or perhaps after the sex something ____ed up happens giving the story a new arc to conclude. Due to the deep emotional connection created due to sex, having one of the lovers tormented by something or killed could be used to give some serious emotion and plot to the story and renewing. But if it does not fit with the theme of the story then you done did ____ed up. That is why I think pure romance is mediocre. Using romance as simply as a sub-plot makes you able to keep the story interesting and advance beyond the romance endgame, and can be used to inflict massive conviction or torment on the poor emotionally bonded sex partners. Which is incredibly fun from a story writing perspective! That is an amazing plot point I think. Sex is indeed a tool to get you emotionally invested, not just the endgame of romance... If used correctly.

 

[RepresentingThree]

I've never been a smut kind of guy. I if really like a story I'll still read anyway, but if I wanted sexual content I would watch a video.

 

[Akivien]

I get scared reading smut, like it was fine and all then the guy grows another dic'

 

[RepresentingThree]

I've never been a smut kind of guy. I if really like a story I'll still read anyway, but if I wanted sexual content I would watch a video.

To add to this, three reasons people have sex are love, pleasure, and procreation. Firstly I find that a large percentage of people that write on the internet aren't on a professional level. This can make so only pleasure comes through. The thing about the pleasure aspect is that it is best enjoyed in person. Next, unless one is a particularly skilled writer love seems rather forced to me. It becomes to clear that the author made them to be together. They didn't find each other, and fell in love. No, they were made that way. I feel such writing is an insult to true love. Lastly is procreation. Unless one is going for a thousand chapter book, or you are at the end of your story you shouldn't write characters having sex for this reason. The aspect of a child would be a great way to imply life after the series ends, but in the middle of the book it would be nothing but a distraction. The only way it wouldn't be is if the book was about raising children. In conclusion sex has three important parts. Those are love, pleasure, and procreation. None of which can be accurately captured by subpar writing, and is only enjoyable in the highest quality. (for me anyway)

 

[RayneStorm]

To add to this, three reasons people have sex are love, pleasure, and procreation. Firstly I find that a large percentage of people that write on the internet aren't on a professional level. This can make so only pleasure comes through. The thing about the pleasure aspect is that it is best enjoyed in person. Next, unless one is a particularly skilled writer love seems rather forced to me. It becomes to clear that the author made them to be together. They didn't find each other, and fell in love. No, they were made that way. I feel such writing is an insult to true love. Lastly is procreation. Unless one is going for a thousand chapter book, or you are at the end of your story you shouldn't write characters having sex for this reason. The aspect of a child would be a great way to imply life after the series ends, but in the middle of the book it would be nothing but a distraction. The only way it wouldn't be is if the book was about raising children. In conclusion sex has three important parts. Those are love, pleasure, and procreation. None of which can be accurately captured by subpar writing, and is only enjoyable in the highest quality. (for me anyway)

I really can't connect with any of those three reasons so that's why I always feel disconnected when they start talking about passion etc. I don't think I've ever seen sex used in a story that has benefitted from the sex being in there (benefitted plotwise not reader-wise) but I'm not going to tell people not to write it since reader satisfaction is probably the most important part of the story. I can handle a poorly written sex scene, especially if I'm invested otherwise. If the story is about a couple that is making up after breaking up I'd probably really like to see them getting closer. I did read a few stories though where the main couple have sex right before the final battle and then the woman finds out she's pregnant (How?! You did it like five minutes ago!) and then the guy refuses to let her fight then they have an argument and at that point I usually give up. I am a huge sucker for couples rekindling their romance though. Couples working through their problems and falling in love all over again is a guilty pleasure for me. Love that stuff

 

[KoyukiMegumi]

I did read a few stories though where the main couple have sex right before the final battle and then the woman finds out she's pregnant (How?! You did it like five minutes ago!) and then the guy refuses to let her fight then they have an argument and at that point I usually give up.

This is hilariously funny. Whoever wrote that has a lack of knowledge about sex and the entire process of fertilization. It takes 3 weeks to a month before a woman can have high enough levels of hCG for a presumptive test to come back positive. *This can also be a false negative or positve. The only way to know 100% pregnancy is through a blood test *This can still be a false negative at times.* /ultrasound/fetal heartbeat(There is no denying this one).*

Even fertilization can occur 24-48 hours after the act. And depends if the girl is even fertile or not! Spermatozoids are fast swimmers but they aren't olympian athletes. So if they did it the night before, the girl would technically still be not pregnant * Fertilization doesn't = pregnancy as the embryo can fail to implant. The implantation process can take up to a week.

The guy being overprotective of a week-old pregnancy is hilarious, too. Effects from a pregnancy won't be felt until a month later or even more. Some people are more sensitive than others, but it still takes about a month. *Morning sickness and all those other normal lovely symptoms* And will last until usually month 3ish around there. Some might be worse than others, such as gestational diabetes...

I will use my story for this. It actually has a scene like this. But the FL is 3 weeks from being due. *Spoiler, she doesn't listen to the ML at all. Instead, she jumps into the battle and ends up saving everyone from a threat. Even with her legs and back killing the poor gal, she does what she came to accomplish. Cons though she does into labor right after... Nothing is free, sadly. Stress and all isn't good for an 8-month preggers girl.*

Phew... sorry had to rant! ~People should not write about what they do not understand. Or at least research it a bit! It takes a few seconds!

 

[greyblob]

To add to this, three reasons people have sex are love, pleasure, and procreation. Firstly I find that a large percentage of people that write on the internet aren't on a professional level. This can make so only pleasure comes through. The thing about the pleasure aspect is that it is best enjoyed in person. Next, unless one is a particularly skilled writer love seems rather forced to me. It becomes to clear that the author made them to be together. They didn't find each other, and fell in love. No, they were made that way. I feel such writing is an insult to true love. Lastly is procreation. Unless one is going for a thousand chapter book, or you are at the end of your story you shouldn't write characters having sex for this reason. The aspect of a child would be a great way to imply life after the series ends, but in the middle of the book it would be nothing but a distraction. The only way it wouldn't be is if the book was about raising children. In conclusion sex has three important parts. Those are love, pleasure, and procreation. None of which can be accurately captured by subpar writing, and is only enjoyable in the highest quality. (for me anyway)

This is so terribly stupid and naive, I'm not even sure where to begin. Sex isn't always about love, pleasure, or procreation. It could also be used for validation, empowerment, demeaning others, and a lot more. Do people only eat because they're hungry? No, they also eat because they're anxious, uncomfortable, worried. Sex is not an endpoint or an objective; it's an essential element to any physical relationship. It doesn't always have to be explicitly mentioned, but almost always should be present.
Now, onto the children portion, which somehow managed to sound even more stupid. You're saying characters having children, becoming mothers and fathers, is a distraction to the story? Realizing the responsibilities and struggles of being a parent has no purpose or effect? I'm genuinely confused. I'm not sure what stories you've been reading, but parenthood is the biggest responsibility a person can have and should always have a major impact on the characters and story.

 

[TheUnsaid]

My suggestion is, don't publish anything that someday will make you drown in regret, or you can't say it to your closest people proudly.

Why's that smut so damn aggressive and painful damn...
Like jesus you can write sensual or better yet, female led smut too. It doesn't have to be something that if people tried to imitate in real life would lead to an arrest, but just a good time.

 

[wann]

I like the obscenity tag, this tag inclines me +50% to read the work.

my problem is with the harem tag, authors always get lost in it by increasing the harem, it gets to the point that sex is only described with new partners, which I think is crap, even poly harens never portray sex without the MC.. .. what's the point of saying that it's a poly relationship if everything revolves around the MC?
every harem has highlander syndrome (there can be only one) it is said that everyone loves each other, but only the MC develops the relationships....

sorry i hate "harems". no polly relationships

 

[scribesaga]

Trying to come up with ideas for the scribble hub writing contest, thinking to have it include a little smut

One idea I had is this.

A young woman, Journey Chase, is an aspiring mercenary with dreams of joining the colonial resistance on a distant colony world. In order to get there, she must acquire a boarding pass for the next colony ship. Desperate to get onboard, she elects to become a 'comfort liaison' for one of the vessels officers. After spending the first six months in a chemically induced cryo sleep, Journey awakens with the horrifying discovery that she's become a futa. Before the colony ship arrives, it comes under attack by the feared pirate ship "Daughter of Silesia". Can Journey rise up to become the soldier she always dreamt to be? Or will she fall prey to the Silesia's pirate queen, and her sultry machinations?

 

[Deleted member 61829]

I’m asexual so smut isn’t really a thing I’m interested in, but I like to write soft smut like groping and implied sex. Full-blown smut makes me embarrassed and uncomfortable lmao XDDDD